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In defense of Hoboken411

Update: The Hoboken Journal has also posted on this story, questioning the spam by Hoboken411 and ELEC concerns.


We’ve had the same “guest” visit several times now making various arguments in an attempt to defend the electioneering email sent out by Hoboken411 on behalf of the Mason campaign today.

Let’s first dismiss Frank “Pupie” Raia as a beneficiary of this email campaign by pointing out the actual Mason Campaign commercial footage posted on youtube under the moniker “Stophidingthebudget.”  We’ve highlighted this youtube video series several times, and have even used it’s footage in earlier and current stories.  The camera in use offers some quality footage shot on Councilwoman Beth Mason’s in chambers camera during City Council meetings.

Although the email bomb also attacks former Municipal Judge Kimberly Glatt, most of its efforts are directed against the current Acting Mayor Dawn Zimmer.  Regardless, the evidence of an actual campaign commercial posted on youtube eliminates any doubt on who’s behalf the electioneering email was sent today.  We would also note, the Mason Campaign at no time complained about the accuracy of our stories in regard to any of the “Stophidingthebudget” videos. Nor do we expect them to do so now or at any ELEC violation hearing on behalf of Hoboken411.


The first email on behalf of Hoboken411 appeared four hours ago:
re: “clear electioneering email violation.” 

Taking money for google ads is no different than the goolge ads for Mike Bloomberg on this website I see today, and no different than the Zimmer endorsement in the Journal or the paid ads in the Reporter. If you folks breath any deeper on those roses you will eventually smell the shit that was used as fertilizer.

And our reply:
Well we have our first (maybe last) official comment coming in from the less than creative “guest” on the citations against Hoboken411.  They are attempting to make a moral equivalence between ads, random google ads, an editorial endorsement and the electioneering email Perry abused people with earlier.

All we can say to that familiar voice is “Good luck with that.”  Please come again.  But at least pick something more original than guest next time.  And how does it feel to be on a censor free site?  Are you sure you are up to this?  Take care of you and yours.  Tomorrow this will all be over.  Except for the ELEC violations squad.  They will be very busy!

















The second email email acting of the Hoboken411 defense offered:
How many posts do we have on this blog bashing candidates? I see a pattern of basing all candidates but one. Obviously this site is setup to circumvent the electioneering laws in NJ for communicating and promoting the nomination, election or defeat of any candidate. 

Where is your paid for information? 

I don’t see the legally required paid for information in your communication above. 

N.J.A.C. 19:25-13.2 in relevant part states: 

a) Whenever a candidate committee, joint candidates committee, political committee, continuing political committee, political party committee, legislative leadership committee, or a person or group making independent expenditures pursuant to 19:25-12.8, makes, incurs or authorizes an expenditure for the purpose of financing a communication aiding or promoting the nomination, election or defeat of any candidate which is an expenditure that the committee, person or group is required to report pursuant to the Act, the communication shall clearly state the name and business or residence address of the committee, person or group, as that information appears on the certificate of organization and designation of depository (Form D-1, D-2, PC, D-4, D-3, D-5, respectively) filed by the candidate committee, joint candidates committee, political committee, continuing political committee, political party committee, or legislative leadership committee or, in the case of a person or group, as the name of the person or group and business or residence address appears in public records or a current telephone directory, and the communication shall clearly state that the communication has been paid for by that committee, person or group. 

I don’t see the legally required paid for information in your communication above. 

N.J.A.C. 19:25-13.2 in relevant part states: 

a) Whenever a candidate committee, joint candidates committee, political committee, continuing political committee, political party committee, legislative leadership committee, or a person or group making independent expenditures pursuant to 19:25-12.8, makes, incurs or authorizes an expenditure for the purpose of financing a communication aiding or promoting the nomination, election or defeat of any candidate which is an expenditure that the committee, person or group is required to report pursuant to the Act, the communication shall clearly state the name and business or residence address of the committee, person or group, as that information appears on the certificate of organization and designation of depository (Form D-1, D-2, PC, D-4, D-3, D-5, respectively) filed by the candidate committee, joint candidates committee, political committee, continuing political committee, political party committee, or legislative leadership committee or, in the case of a person or group, as the name of the person or group and business or residence address appears in public records or a current telephone directory, and the communication shall clearly state that the communication has been paid for by that committee, person or group.




And the MSV reply:  Update: 9:05 Our “guest” has returned in comments with silly accusations of payment non-disclosure.  When we get paid for the few blogger ads we’ll let you know “guest.”  Until then you may need to have your legal citations reviewed on behalf of Hoboken411 so they can begin addressing the ELEC complaints that are arriving as we speak.  Every candidate has taken their lumps and none has been a crybaby, not one.  

Except you.



And then the third post from our “guest” added:
” independent expenditures pursuant to 19:25-12.8″ 

Where is your filing? Were is your declaration of “in-kind” contributions 

FYI “Smarty” – The Federal Elections Commission has decided it will treat blogs as if they were newspapers, exempt from campaign regulations unless they are owned by a political party, committee or candidate. Same holds true for NJ election commission, so keep barking up that tree and fax away your complaints, there are several residents in town who will advise you on the proper way to file complaints with the state commission. 

Nice playing with you, and make sure you have a good lawyer if you are going to attempt to play hardball otherwise take your position back on the bench.



It’s completely unclear on what basis you claim a filing is required.  We have nothing to declare.  If you believe you have a case via the Federal Election Commission, we suggest you file it.  As for the NJ election commission, we aren’t doing the barking; horses don’t bark.  It’s the readers who complained about the abuse of their email.  Other readers then posted the information for filing complaints which we have incorporated into the story for easy viewing.  Should they pose a collective action for both the clear electioneering violations and abuse of their email, we will be following the story and report accordingly.  If you believe that the email bomb did not require identification as a communication on behalf of the Mason Campaign, there’s nothing you’ve indicated to change our mind.  We note again, Hoboken411 sent a massive email blast of a clear and obvious Mason Campaign commercial and did not indicate anywhere “paid for by beth mason for mayor” as required.


Hoboken411 invited the public’s reaction.  There’s been more complaints here, on Hoboken Revolt and  reports of similar on Hoboken411, now deleted of course.  We are going to report on it every step of the way.  Are you going to complain to us if the readers continue filing complaints?  If so, it would be useful if you choose a name instead of just guest.  So as not to confuse with the earlier  “guest” who also criticized Hoboken411 today.  Besides, we have no means at this point to stop Hoboken residents for complaints already filed today and those who will do so.   


Mile Square View will in no way attempt to dissuade anyone from filing complaints against Hoboken411.  Nor will this blog accept responsibility for anyone doing so. 


This morning our “guest” has returned:
I get it now Horsey. Perry banned you so you created your own version of Bill O’Reilly NO SPIN ZONE, where you can spin your own crazy little tales of conspiracy.

I will spell it out for you again so you understand. The ELEC commisons both Federal and State has decided to treat BLOGS like this one as “Newspapers”, which are exempt from most campaign laws. Something called Freedom of the Press I guess. You can cry, kick, scream, fax, email, phone, yell and generally stomp your feet all day if it makes you feel any better. 


Actually there was an active account until recently although it wasn’t used much.  Did do a favor for a local restaurant who asked for us to convey our satisfaction at their restaurant.  The “ban” occurred after a post attempt on exclusive photos of an arrest illegally taken and posted without permission. Perry had removed the account’s ability to post and prevented the comment from appearing. There’s no “conspiracy;” the facts are highlighted quite clearly for everyone to see, including ELEC. We’ll see the results of Hoboken411’s latest action against the Hoboken community. We’ll be following the developments with keen interest, as soon as tonight.


Okay, you are welcome to post again but you we must insist you at least choose a name other than guest.  Otherwise you will risk being banned!  You also are invited alternatively to send your response directly to smartyjones@me.com and it will be added to this story.  We’re removing the duplication from the comments.  


Have a great day.  Hoboken is one community needing to work together tomorrow.  Good luck to you and your family. 


Our guests has again returned, 10:35 est:

I get it now Horsey.  Perry banned you so you created you own version of Bill O’Reilly NO SPIN ZONE, where you can spin your own crazy little tales of conspiracy.


Okay, I see you are exhausted.  But don’t spam here spouting the same lines or there will be no choice but to ban you.  (See we’re really trying hard not to make you the first little example.)  Go take a look over at the Hoboken Journal. He’s highlighting the Hoboken411 and ELEC concerns too.


– Nothing deleted unless you did, name change is fine, but again please don’t spam.  Hoboken has had enough spam.

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